Red poodle history

Red Standard Poodle History

Materials Compiled and Edited by Kelly Lynn Smith

It took many years to achieve the quality and conformation that we see in the red standard poodles of today. The concept of developing a red standard poodle was first conceived by Ilse Konig of the Shangri-La Kennel when she returned from Germany in 1980 and admired a red miniature poodle at a dog show.

With the assistance of the Palamares Kennel in Oregon; together they embarked upon an experimental breeding by mating a small English apricot bitch (provided by Shangri-la) to an oversize red dog at Palamares. [In Europe, it is acceptable to mate separate size classifications as long as the difference is under 10 centimeters.] Quoting from Ilse Konig “I kept the first litter—4 red babies. The color was stunning and I was dancing from joy! The problem came later on. The heads were Standard Poodles, the legs short like Miniature Poodles. While they were cute, they were not in temperament as I knew the Standard Poodle. They all were smaller than a Standard and they were called a "Caniche", (the in-between size of Mini and Standard Poodle)."

as no red gene pool was available; the largest puppy from each litter was bred, thus gradually increasing the size with each successive generation. "It took several years of mating and keeping red poodle puppies to come up to the standard of the BIG poodle. Today they all fit the bill. There are several Champions now and the size is up to 26 inches. It was a real tough job with lots of frustrations and disappointments- BUT- I had my red Standard Poodle, as you can see in my pictures."

"The turn in the temperament finally came with Coquetel Apollo--who really should be mentioned in all of this. He was the one that brought the good disposition into the red line. Unfortunately, Apollo was shot by a New Jersey breeder while out on a lease because he was chasing his chickens. I believe that the breeders of the Reds have accomplished a terrific feat. To even get one red into the ring would have been impossible in the eighties. While it was a frustrating road for all of us, its amazing to even get that far.” Says Ilse.

)Please remember that this is a copyritten website and all information here is the sole right of Palmares Poodles , it si a violation of copyright law to take and use thisgs from my website )

Comments : "Hi Sheryl, I'm enjoying your puppy vids on Facebook very much, This comment is about your red poodle history, though. I knew that "oversize" dog. His name was Palmares E. Pluribus Unum. He was exactly 15" tall, exquisite, and had wonderful temperament. Another never met a stranger dog. Janet's early reds tended to be long legged-minis on standard legs. Their temperaments needed work, but shyness along with being loving was the problem. My father had one for 17 years. Temperament issues were true of the regular apricots, too. They socialized just fine with some effort. My friend Lee Wilcox (who introduced me to Janet) Used to say poodles didn't want to do anything for the first time. After that, they were fine. You'd drag them kicking and screaming into the car,for example, then when they had experienced the adventure, the next time they leaped into the car tail wagging and all excited to get to go. That was true of things like going for walks in my urban environment, too.

The long and low dogs tended to be the red toys. I sold a lot of puppies for Janet over the years. Temperament issues tended to be from insufficient socialization since she really had too many dogs then. But nobody was mean--even the chihuahuas never offered to bite me when I would help her with taking them out in the morning or putting them away at night.
I miss my standards terribly, but because of my cancer will not be able to get another one. The toy that Robert Blannin gave me is a good bed companion and very sweet, but he isn't my Rosie and Oscar. As Robert predicted, though, I can pretty much keep up with his coat. I'm too feeble to groom standards now.

Anyway, my memories of early reds are not quite the same as Ilse Koenig's, and I was around then, too, but on the other coast. Thanks to Lee (Chantefleuri was her kennel name)and Janet, I was exposed to a lot of high quality dogs and taught a lot about breeding. I only bred 2 litters myself. Pups were very nice and most were dark red. 1 cream in each litter. My male, Oscar, would regurgitate food for the pups and was a wonderful babysitter (after Rosie finally decided he could be near her babies)I guess Oscar thought he was a wolf daddy."

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I cannot say this enough times.. I do not often sell breeding rights. And when I do it is on private treaty , period .. Not a set thing every situation is different.....This is for the protection of my dogs , my breeding program  and for the protection of the reds in general. With such a small gene pool it is difficult for a professional to produce a line of dogs, focusing on health temperament and conformation in a color that has been basically bred for just that , color..There are very few that are doing that ..Trying to truly improve that is .. Some think that you need to go out to black , some are even breeding to blue . What did they get ? Well, they got black , blue and some apricot .. Pretty , but not what I want to do . The red standard poodle will be developed by breeding red to red period .. Do one thing do it well.. Winning is not the only thing ....
So now Sheroc In conjunction with Palmares will take the torch and carry it.... So excited to be a part of history !Trust me I will not let the founders of this beautiful dog down ! Breeding only the finest to the finest.
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